And while I certainly know women who work in toxic all women or mostly women environments, and by no means want to dismiss or minimize their experiences, I would like to differentiate between anti-oppressive environments, and hierarchical all woman workplaces.
As well, I would like to challenge the idea that women are innately difficult to work with, but rather, that the patriarchy (and other oppressions, such as classism, heterosexism, homo/bi/transphobia, racism, ableism, and ageism, etc.) directly and indirectly pits marginalized people against each other.
Just as I do not believe that women, by nature, are more nurturing than men, I do not believe women are naturally more prone to back stabbing, bullying, and gossiping, than men.
Let's face it. Women are at the bottom of the food chain. And if you also happen to be a Woman of Colour, Aboriginal, transgender, gender variant, disAbled, an immigrant or refugee, or lesbian or bisexual, you are lower still, with even less chance of advancement, promotion or basic respect by coworkers and employers.
These oppressions can be breeding grounds for animosity between oppressed groups and something that some employers certainly perpetuate.
I have had the pleasure of working at feminist organizations, as well as more institutionalized places, and this is what I have noticed:
1) Workplaces where one is not subject to micromanaging or other toxicity are much less stressf,ul and contribute positively to one's overall mental health. I have found micromanaging to be more prevalent in non-feminist organizations, although I am sure that there are micromanaging 'feminist' managers, and that this would have equally devastating impacts on workers.
2) Just like other people, women can and do work cooperatively if they are treated with dignity like their work matters, and are respected for the work they do, whether it is administrating a program or cleaning toilets.
3) Hierarchical power structures, even in feminist organizations, leads to disparity in wages, power, and feelings of self-worth. I personally believe that all positions in an orgaization must be equally valued, and that this means equal pay. Now, I know the arguments (e.g. "People who have 6 years of post-secondary education should not be compensated at the same level as someone with a high school degree.") I also understand that this can cause problems for typically underfunded not for profits. But I am not convinced that we can say "everyone is equal" when one person takes home $15/hour, and another $30/hour.
4) When people are stressed and overworked, they are more likely to engage in non-cooperative and hurtful ways. Marginalized people are more likely to fill less attractive positions, with lower paycheques and fewer benefits, which can certain cause economic stress. Front line workers in anti-violence movements and other social serving agencies are often women with enormous workloads getting paid much less than if they worked for government. As well, marginalized people wait longer for promotions (if they are promoted at all) which can create (very valid) feelings of resentment and anger, thereby increasing stress levels.
5) Capitalism needs competition, not cooperation. That is, workers are encouraged to 'play the game' which often means turning their backs on their fellow workers, if not openly sabotaging them. Consensus-based, cooperative work focuses on the well-being of all, which leads to a healthier workforce.
6) Workplaces with an explicit anti-oppressive stance (and who actually walk the talk) are emotionally and physically safer for workers, and are thus overall healthier for all.
7) There is a big time problem when all the (lower paid) front line workers are women and management is male. This is true also for People of Colour, Aboriginals, persons who are LGBTTIQQ, and persons with disabilities (etc) working the front line while those who are paid more and have more status are white, cisgender, straight, and/or non-disabled. In an effort to appear more inclusive, many businesses and agencies participate in tokenism - that is, hiring someone because they belong to a marginalized group
** This came out wrong. (I blame white privilege and sudafed). I didn't mean to say that people weren't meeting the qualifications; indeed, people will usually need to have a gazillion times the qualifications just to get the interview. What I meant was that the qualification that matters for these so called "I want to be diverse" organizations was looking diverse, without actually committing to diversity.
8) In mixed gender agencies, groups or meetings, people with privilege continue to dominate discussions. White people interrupt People of Colour; women get less talking space than men; people with disAbilities are ignored. Many feminist organizations seek to minimize power imbalances through 'talking feathers' and rounds. I have never seen this in non-feminist/non-anti-oppressive workplaces, let alone an acknowledgement that this is a problem.
I don't want to give the impression that all women only and/or feminist organizations are healthy to work for. Indeed, just as there are men who bully, there are women who do, as well. And anyone who has worked with or for a bully, whether they are micromanagers, gossipers, quick to blame or publicly shame, passive aggressive or flat out aggressive/abusive, knows what kind of toll this has on one's mental health.
This is why I choose to work for healthy environments, even though it often means a cut in pay. However, not everyone has the privilege to choose a lower paying but more emotionally satisfying job. Perhaps this is one of the many reasons I hate capitalism so much. In order to function, capitalism needs inequality, and in turn, it breeds even more.
Subsequently, I do not believe true equality can ever be achieved under capitalism. We very much need something else.
13 comments:
awesome post, monika!! i pretty much agree with everything you wrote, except for this:
"In an effort to appear more inclusive, many businesses and agencies participate in tokenism - that is, hiring someone because they belong to a marginalized group without necessarily looking at their qualifications."
I would argue that it's not that managers disregard qualifications when hiring(which is an argument used by losers who challenge "affirmative-action" type prorams), but that their qualifications are overlooked once they get the job. i still think the qualifications are necessary for people in marginalized groups to be hired - that is, if they don't require *more* qualifications than someone in a group with social power - but that, once hired, they are valued and thought of as "the brown person" or "the disAbled person" or "the queer person," rather than the person with skills. In other words, their marginalized identity becomes more important than their skills.
(After graduating, I would sometimes secretly hope that someone would hire me, even if it was just because I was brown... But really, having a name that implies I'm not white just meant I wouldn't even get an interview.)
You are totally right, Pragya. I didn't word that well at all. What I meant to say is that qualifications weren't what mattered - although marginalized people need a gazillion more qualifications just to get the interview - it is that desire to appear inclusive.
If it is cool with you I am going to correct it to write it as I intended. (I realised some of the language isn't great in this post; I was pretty high on cough medicine). Monika
cool! that makes way more sense to me, mon :)
Too bad. Life's a bitch. When people realize that life is unfair, guess what happens?
They become a grown up.
I pity your husband.
Oooh! An anonymous troll. Should I delete the comment or just point and laugh?
"the patriarchy (and other oppressions, such as classism, heterosexism, homo/bi/transphobia, racism, ableism, and ageism, etc.) directly and indirectly pits marginalized people against each other."
Prove it. Provide your hypothesis. Provide evidence. Provide proof. Support your assertion. Links to peer-reviewed journals which back you up.
If it was someone interested in conversation and learning, absolutely I would. But you are the same troll from professor what if who storms into people's blogs, calls them names and makes a general ass of yourself. So no. For you, I won't spend an ounce of time "proving it".
Kindly remove yourself from my blog. I have no time "debating" with people like you.
Cannot prove the existence of patriarchy:
*Note for the record you claim I hurt your feelings, therefore you are too lazy to earn the respect to which you feel you are entitled*
OWNED
Keep on talking. You are only proving male entitlement and patriarchy. You are proving that men use bullying, abusive behaviours.
The whole "owned" comment. Is that something you say/feel when you beat your spouse/partner?
Interesting, you talk about women's abusive behaviours, and yet you are the one acting abusively. Hmmmm....
I'm assuming you think the dude who said "owned" is Jacko on the professor's blog? That's quite the assumption there...
Did it possibly occur to you that perhaps the guy is just another asshole who's imitating Jacko to feel better about themselves? Either way, it's humorous how both wish to recieve evidence and reasoning. Goes to show they need others to think for them. You would expect for the posters to at least be able to formulate their opinion by now.
Yes, it is an assumption and it is possible it is two people. However, the languaging is very similar and anon started posting on my blog at the exact time we were having words at the professor's blogs. So it could be a big coincidence but I don't think it is.
Oh no, it's me, just one person here. I'm actually a little bored, that's why I leave random comments. I must admit, looking back, they are rather confrontational. Sorry about that. You don't have to do anything if you are not asked nicely.
That being said, with all due respect, don't assertions need to be proven? Of course, as I stated earlier, if someone is rude to you, you don't have to respond. So I do formally apologize if I seemed callous. But what separates your assertions from astrology or tarot:
"the patriarchy (and other oppressions, such as classism, heterosexism, homo/bi/transphobia, racism, ableism, and ageism, etc.) directly and indirectly pits marginalized people against each other."
How can I know if you don't provide evidence? I CAN be convinced; I am not unreasonable. Moreover, let's say you do furnish some evidence (which I don't think you can do), what are your solutions? Do you prefer the market to make corrections or state intervention?
Anyway, you get my point. I'm done. Cheers!
I'm going to let this comment through, but you have made your point, so I won't be letting through any other similar posts asking/saying the same thing.
I am going to explain how I respond to 'prove it' from people who are not interested in learning.
I am not here to educate you. You can educate yourself.
You can choose to ignore power and oppression and privilege. You can ignore racism. You can ignore homophobia. You can do all of those things. But you won't be doing so on my blog.
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